wolfforce58205 Says:

Jun 9, 2011 - @NekoDKitty Other groups are against animal testing as well...groups who don't kill more pets than they save every year and spend money that COULD be used to start free spay-and-neuter clinics, used for spreading REAL facts (they hardly ever tell the truth), fund no-kill shelters, etc. instead on ads of naked celebrities protesting eating meat (some people die without meat; not everyone could be vegetarian/vegan). I hate PETA. I support animal WELFARE, not animal RIGHTS.

ZM7241994 Says:

Jun 9, 2011 - I really don't get PETA members. Most of them are atheists and believe morality doesn't exist but then preach that hunting animals is " wrong". Something can't be 'wrong" if morality doesn't exist.

ThePizzahog Says:

Aug 19, 2011 - Fur is wrong. If your cat was able to think s/he would know that s/he has fur too. Would you want to get skinned to make a rug for someone? I think not.

wolfforce58205 Says:

Aug 19, 2011 - Tell me, how is fur wrong? I don't think fur can technically be wrong nor right. And she is able to think, just not the same way we do. My cat knows she has fur, that's why she licks it, just like she licked this antique fox fur stole. If my cat was dead, I really wouldn't care if someone skinned her and turned her in to a rug. Her soul would be gone, the body is merely a vessel. I'd rather her be fully mounted though, to look like she should. She'd be an awful rug.

ThePizzahog Says:

Sep 5, 2011 - (excuse me please, I cannot reply on my device) I think fur is wrong just for the fact that it is harvested in very inappropriate ways. PETA is a bit messed up, but fur is where i draw the line.

ThePizzahog Says:

Sep 5, 2011 - Also I do not agree with PETA at all. I hunt.

wolfforce58205 Says:

Sep 7, 2011 - Nothing I can say can make you like fur if you are against it (at least not on Youtube, anyhow, lol). However "fur" itself isn't wrong. Otherwise my cat would be wrong, and my dog, and every other furry critter. Being against WEARING fur that isn't naturally yours though, THAT makes sense, haha. Any inappropriate ways of harvesting fur that do not follow laws/regulations should be banned and its practitioners should be brought to a court of law. Good that you're not for PETA =)

wolfforce58205 Says:

Sep 7, 2011 - Awesome, what kind of things do you hunt? And do you hunt for food, or...? I always thought it'd be amazing if I was able to hunt for my meat as nature intended...but then I'd come home with an empty stomach all too often. Practical hunters though, they get my full support, so long as nothing goes to waste and they're not poaching.

ThePizzahog Says:

Sep 8, 2011 - (once again- cannot reply) Yea, it's kinda stupid to wear some poor creature's skin when you have your own. It's kind of gross too. I hunt for food only (I'm bot a douche like that) sure I keep trophies (can't really use the head of a deer) but that doesn't really count as wasting.

wolfforce58205 Says:

Sep 8, 2011 - Well, some would say it's gross, some wouldn't, lol. I know my friends in Alaska LOVE having their fur mittens and hats in the winter, and I myself was just checking out leather (which is just fur without the hair, basically) jackets for my new motorcycle (nothing is as safe nor as breatheable for the thickness as leather is! It'll skid 20-70 miles longer than most synthetics before tearing exposing your skin). And I know they use animal heads for pet foods, so they have SOME use

zaxtor Says:

Nov 19, 2011 - People wearing fur looks stupid. They look nothing but like inferior savages. We have alternatives and besides real fur requires a lot more energy than fake fur and they use toxic preservative in real fur. I do not advocate fake fur either. But if is to fight cruelty then wear it. Or use wool at least sheep don't die from taking the wool. Way to obtain fur is horrific, cruel and sadistic. These stupid hick trappers beat them, drown them and stomp on them. We don't live in damn caves anymore.

wolfforce58205 Says:

Nov 19, 2011 - Looks are a matter of opinion (and why are "savages" inferior for having a different lifestyle? That's harsh...). Alternatives like petrolium that don't insulate nearly as well pound-for-pound, you mean? Oh, sorry, I didn't mean petrolium, I meant synthetics (oh wait, they're the same thing? Well damn!). Fur farming and hunting/trapping all have very strict regulations, and some people in the world still live in below-freezing weather. If you think fur is sadistic, learn about cotton.

wolfforce58205 Says:

Nov 19, 2011 - I highly recommend you check out, "Stuff: The Secret Life of Everyday Things" (it's a book that's very short, simple, and to the point...even a child can read through it within a week, it's so thin). Also, beating an animal to death is not allowed by regulations (except for select species who will die from a hit to the head, such as pigs, but they have to demonstrate the ability to kill them with one quick blow before being allowed to use those techniques).

zaxtor Says:

Nov 19, 2011 - Modern fur coat prove their hypocrisy because it is made of polyester / other man made synthetics with real fur trim. I call that lollable and hypocrisy. Also they burn soo much gasoline to check their set. Some even work in oil companies and they don't control where their oils go. Also I know alot about trapping. I am watching their forums like a hawk. I was skeptic toward pictures on ARA sites with trapped animals. I went to trappers forums and ARA were right. Same cruelty.

zaxtor Says:

Nov 19, 2011 - Trappers hide their dispatching methods though out PM. It is bad enough they're ashamed of their cruel sport and non-proud trapper. I went in many forums. They will drown, They will stomp and beat the animal to maximize fur value. Some may use guns. It is cruel and sadistic. I watched a lot of videos THEIR videos. I launched a site exposing them and many trappers are paranoid. Hide dispatch by PM. Some even hide their forums (member only). They make approval to join.

zaxtor Says:

Nov 19, 2011 - Nearly all pictures of trapped animals I collect with bruises, injuries and blood comes from trappers forums. I am not those people who believe what ONLY ara says cus I am not egocentric and opinionated. I need evidence to believe in something. So I document trappers on my own. and collect their posts and picture that they don't want the public to see. Trappers are evil. opinionated, arrogant and egocentric people. If you hate trapping they hate your guts. Trapping is a CULT.

wolfforce58205 Says:

Nov 19, 2011 - That depends entirely on who you buy from, and added bonus to fur is it gets recycled down a heck of a lot more than other garments (even anti-fur websites boast that a coat can be used for a minimum of 20 years; I've been trying to keep my gently treated hoodie to last 7 and it's falling apart EVERYWHERE). You obviously have no idea how much gas and oil is used for other materials; try living next to fields. Trapping, if done right, is humane-ask field biologists who rely on live traps.

wolfforce58205 Says:

Nov 19, 2011 - And that's awful that you've found bad trappers like that, but what they're doing is wrong from multiple standpoints. On the flip side, there's also many trappers out there who do things humanely; I know some myself. Youtube's comments are too limited in amount of text, pm me if you'd like to continue this conversation, please. (I'd also love to see some links to the websites you're talking about! Honestly, I would. Not trying to be a smartarse or something).

wolfforce58205 Says:

Nov 24, 2011 - Just curious, for the traps that cause these injuries, can you tell me which kinds they're using? And where these trappers mainly live? (country) It's funny that you hate trappers so much, when most field wildlife biologists could be considered trappers...they don't catch their animals to observe, tag, or maybe experiment with (if they get approval for that, lol) with magic or by calling the animals to them or something. The trappers I know far from meet your description.

zaxtor Says:

Nov 24, 2011 - Sent the link. Mostly are toothless traps but still causes injuries. Some states still use tooth traps such as Alaska and Ohio. Maybe others not sure. I watched wildlife show all my life, they're non ARA nor anti, rather neutral and all uses. 1. cage trap. 2. box trap with holes, almost like a pet carrying box or cylinder trap for bears, almost like a giant pipe with a door and breathing holes.

wolfforce58205 Says:

Nov 24, 2011 - I need to check those out later. Thank you! And some states still used toothed traps? Hmm, thought those were illegal in the US across the board. Guess not, haha. But biologists still use other traps where legal (here in CA they can't due to a certain proposition, but they used to and some prefer them due to the less damage/harm they caused, and the fact that they were the only practical control of some invasive species, like the red fox). I've asked biologists themselves, not shows.